Transcript – #OTalk 10th September 2013 – Focus on the ICF Model

Please find the transcript for the ICF talk from the 10th September below – or at Healthcare Hashtags

You can find Simon’s introduction to the chat here – thanks to him for hosting the chat. I’ve just been informed #anzotalk are going to run a talk on the topic too.

OTalk_Occhat
#OTalk 10th September 2013 – Focus on the ICF Model http://t.co/0u2LHhOAJI

Symbolic_Life
RT @OTalk_Occhat: #OTalk 10th September 2013 – Focus on the ICF Model http://t.co/0u2LHhOAJI

kirstyes
Discussion echoing our What Is Evidence #OTalk from a few weeks ago #SWAHPRN Hierarchy – one example http://t.co/7aXk8lJ2Wu

JulieHughes2013
RT @kirstyes: Discussion echoing our What Is Evidence #OTalk from a few weeks ago #SWAHPRN Hierarchy – one example http://t.co/7aXk8lJ2Wu

Helen_otuk
RT @kirstyes: Discussion echoing our What Is Evidence #OTalk from a few weeks ago #SWAHPRN Hierarchy – one example http://t.co/7aXk8lJ2Wu

Helen_otuk
RT @OTalk_Occhat: #OTalk 10th September 2013 – Focus on the ICF Model http://t.co/0u2LHhOAJI

YappGuru
Like us on Facebook for occupational and physical therapy app news! http://t.co/Esce6kTEt5 #OTPeeps #OTalk #DPTStudent #PhysicalTherapy

BillWongOT
In my hand therapy placement, the ICD-9 is used as references for billing purposes. #otalk

BillWongOT
I think there’s a benefit in using ICF in our practice. However, it’s important to gauge where every1 else is at at ur work setting. #otalk

BillWongOT
If we want to go beyond our workplace, we should do conference presentations on such topics! #otalk

BillWongOT
#OTalk #OTalk2US” is the team name for one of my #OT fantasy football league teams.

TherapistOT
RT @OTalk_Occhat: #OTalk 10th September 2013 – Focus on the ICF Model http://t.co/0u2LHhOAJI

otstudent2
RT @OTalk_Occhat: #OTalk 10th September 2013 – Focus on the ICF Model http://t.co/0u2LHhOAJI

Sibellgul
RT @OTalk_Occhat: #OTalk 10th September 2013 – Focus on the ICF Model http://t.co/0u2LHhOAJI

BAOTCOT
Tonight’s #OTalk focusses on the ICF Model – be there from 8pm! http://t.co/pGSKsWE3Da

KellyOT
RT @BAOTCOT: Tonight’s #OTalk focusses on the ICF Model – be there from 8pm! http://t.co/pGSKsWE3Da

Bird20116
RT @BAOTCOT: Tonight’s #OTalk focusses on the ICF Model – be there from 8pm! http://t.co/pGSKsWE3Da

RigHealthcare
RT @BAOTCOT: Tonight’s #OTalk focusses on the ICF Model – be there from 8pm! http://t.co/pGSKsWE3Da

amycupcakeface
RT @BAOTCOT: Tonight’s #OTalk focusses on the ICF Model – be there from 8pm! http://t.co/pGSKsWE3Da

TRAMMCPD
RT @BAOTCOT: Tonight’s #OTalk focusses on the ICF Model – be there from 8pm! http://t.co/pGSKsWE3Da

TherapistOT
Bloomin eck it’s chilly! Warm yourselves up this evening with a heated debate about ICF #otalk

kirstyes
@Bethanhc ICF model #otalk tonight if you were still interested.

COTSSTO
#OTalk 10th September 2013 – Focus on the ICF Model http://t.co/yszJFJLmAD via @OTalk_Occhat

BAOTNYRegion
Tonight’s #OTalk – Focus on the ICF Model http://t.co/D76v91G25G via @OTalk_Occhat

emerging2OT
RT @BAOTNYRegion: Tonight’s #OTalk – Focus on the ICF Model http://t.co/D76v91G25G via @OTalk_Occhat

Symbolic_Life
RT @BAOTNYRegion: Tonight’s #OTalk – Focus on the ICF Model http://t.co/D76v91G25G via @OTalk_Occhat

Manar426
RT @BAOTNYRegion: Tonight’s #OTalk – Focus on the ICF Model http://t.co/D76v91G25G via @OTalk_Occhat

elaineahpmh
RT @BAOTCOT: Tonight’s #OTalk focusses on the ICF Model – be there from 8pm! http://t.co/pGSKsWE3Da

pbarrosoto
RT @BAOTNYRegion: Tonight’s #OTalk – Focus on the ICF Model http://t.co/D76v91G25G via @OTalk_Occhat

morrisKOT
RT @BAOTNYRegion: Tonight’s #OTalk – Focus on the ICF Model http://t.co/D76v91G25G via @OTalk_Occhat

OTalk_Occhat
40 minutes until we #otalk about the ICF.

GillyGorry
sorry to miss #otalk tonight. early night nursing a migraine for me. hope it goes well 🙂

kirstyes
#OTalk people, it clashes with us at 8-9 but @MHNurseChat is on suicide prevention if anyone wants to try multitasking with our ICF chat

OTalk_Occhat
RT @kirstyes: #OTalk people, it clashes with us at 8-9 but @MHNurseChat is on suicide prevention if anyone wants to try multitasking with o…

BoothRach
RT @kirstyes: #OTalk people, it clashes with us at 8-9 but @MHNurseChat is on suicide prevention if anyone wants to try multitasking with o…

BoothRach
RT @BAOTCOT: Tonight’s #OTalk focusses on the ICF Model – be there from 8pm! http://t.co/pGSKsWE3Da

MHNurseChat
RT @kirstyes: #OTalk people, it clashes with us at 8-9 but @MHNurseChat is on suicide prevention if anyone wants to try multitasking with o…

TherapistOT
Just finishing the washing up then will be following @kirstyes sensible advice in preparation for #otalk

_beckyOT
RT @BAOTCOT: Tonight’s #OTalk focusses on the ICF Model – be there from 8pm! http://t.co/pGSKsWE3Da

TherapistOT
RT @kirstyes: #OTalk people, it clashes with us at 8-9 but @MHNurseChat is on suicide prevention if anyone wants to try multitasking with o…

elaineahpmh
RT @kirstyes: #OTalk people, it clashes with us at 8-9 but @MHNurseChat is on suicide prevention if anyone wants to try multitasking with o…

elaineahpmh
@jeanahpm hope u enjoy #OTalk I need to miss it tonight but will follow later tomorrow, great group of folk get involved @OTalk_Occhat

kirstyes
Hi all at #OTalk I need to dash at 9 for a date with an Iron Man 3! Sadly not a man like @Dai2584 that irons though!!

kirstyes
I will be supporting @TherapistOT who is hosting tonight’s #OTalk on ICF until then though

TherapistOT
#OTalk looking forward to hearing your views on ICF , it’s one of my key reasoning tools

Symbolic_Life
Does anyone know what site or app you can use for easier visuals of hash tag talks such as #OTalk please?

TherapistOT
#OTalk & I think it was a revolutionary move for the WHO & let them catch up with our theory 🙂

Symbolic_Life
RT @Helen_otuk: My personal #OTalk Journal (media) Club Week 1 target: Read article 3 times! http://t.co/0d6TgxFfay

kirstyes
RT @TherapistOT: #OTalk looking forward to hearing your views on ICF , it’s one of my key reasoning tools

BillWongOT
Sure missed interacting live with everyone. Going pseudo live again for this #otalk

Maria_Markland
I’ve never looked into ICF, or (as an OT student) used it. But I’ve had a read of the info provided and look forward to #OTalk views on it!

kirstyes
@TherapistOT It wasnt something I was familiar with before going back into the academic setting. #otalk

kirstyes
RT @Symbolic_Life: Does anyone know what site or app you can use for easier visuals of hash tag talks such as #OTalk please?

TherapistOT
@BillWongOT good to have you Bill ! I get the feeling that US uses ICF differently to the UK #otalk

TherapistOT
@Maria_Markland yeah I don’t think many departments have got into it , which is a shame #otalk

clissa89
RT @BAOTCOT: Tonight’s #OTalk focusses on the ICF Model – be there from 8pm! http://t.co/pGSKsWE3Da

BillWongOT
I was exposed to the ICF when I started as an OT student in 2009. 1/2 #otalk

Symbolic_Life
I know alittle of ICF but I’ve alot to learn #OTalk

clissa89
@Symbolic_Life do you mean eg Tweetchat? that’s what I use #OTalk

kirstyes
Really interested in the reflection about an initial skepticism. Do you think ICF has a tendency to be a marmite (love/hate) model? #otalk

BillWongOT
I personally thought it was introduced too early in my OT education- barely knew what OT was at the time. 2/2 #otalk

Bethanhc
@TherapistOT ICF was revolutionary: classified more than impairment, changed word “handicap” and included environment. #OTalk

TherapistOT
@kirstyes same I 1st engaged with it in Sweden & Holland & it’s used in US , but looks more reductionist there #otalk

OTalk_Occhat
@Bethanhc great we are on #otalk

Bethanhc
@OTalk_Occhat for those interested #otalk The ICF Training manual is freely available here http://t.co/0FKr1EuyQR

Maria_Markland
@TherapistOT The concept of moving away from disability as a specific condition and seeing it along a spectrum of health seems good. #otalk

Symbolic_Life
@clissa89 is that what it is? Is it a app or a website please? #OTalk

TherapistOT
@Bethanhc was the complex and expansive definition of environment that hooked me I just love that it includes domesticated animals! #otalk

Bethanhc
@TherapistOT some of us would have liked more revolution though #OTalk

kirstyes
.@TherapistOT can you give an example of a reductionist use? #otalk

Symbolic_Life
RT @Bethanhc: @OTalk_Occhat for those interested #otalk The ICF Training manual is freely available here http://t.co/0FKr1EuyQR

kilner100
RT @BAOTCOT: Tonight’s #OTalk focusses on the ICF Model – be there from 8pm! http://t.co/pGSKsWE3Da

Bethanhc
ICF is “classification of HEALTH and HEALTH -related domains”– not necessarily relevant to the lived experience of disability. #otalk

BillWongOT
I think how the ICF is introduced at school can play a role in whether we love or hate it. #otalk

BillWongOT
I personally think ICF has a place. However, at least from what I experienced in the US, it is not as popular. #otalk

Bethanhc
It has major shortcoming in subjective experience of meaning and autonomy (Henningsson & Jonsson 2005) #otalk

Maria_Markland
RT @TherapistOT: @Bethanhc was the complex and expansive definition of environment that hooked me I just love that it includes domesticate…

TherapistOT
@BillWongOT took me a lot of pondering & anxiety to feel I understood how it could help me I see it as a constantly changing dynamic #otalk

KarenIvey
#OTalk aggh on a train tweets won’t send

kirstyes
RT @BillWongOT: I personally thought it was introduced too early in my OT education- barely knew what OT was at the time. 2/2 #otalk

kirstyes
RT @Bethanhc: @TherapistOT ICF was revolutionary: classified more than impairment, changed word “handicap” and included environment. #OTalk

kirstyes
RT @Bethanhc: @OTalk_Occhat for those interested #otalk The ICF Training manual is freely available here http://t.co/0FKr1EuyQR

Bethanhc
@kirstyes Don’t think it’s a love-hate thing. I think it has been misapplied and over generalised. #OTalk

Symbolic_Life
My depiction-it maybe allows the consideration of some factors of disability supporting acknowledgement in other professions #OTalk

Bethanhc
I am not anti-ICF. It has a place. It should be used in its right place, not for everything. #otalk

kirstyes
@Bethanhc A case of people using ‘out of the box’ without integrating with other aspects of reasoning maybe? #otalk

jm78uk
Using PEOP & ICF is a wonderful combination for teaching and learning for foundational knowledge about the impact of health/illness. #otalk

Maria_Markland
@Bethanhc What do you think its right place is? #otalk

jeanahpm
@Bethanhc #otalk maybe useful if added sense of coherence?

kilner100
RT @Symbolic_Life: ICF allows the consideration of some factors of disability supporting acknowledgement in other professions #OTalk

KarenIvey
The best thing about the ICF is it enables you to speak across professional boundaries and be understood #OTalk

Bethanhc
@kirstyes Yes and misunderstanding its HEALTH focus. #OTalk

kirstyes
RT @Bethanhc: It has major shortcoming in subjective experience of meaning and autonomy (Henningsson & Jonsson 2005) #otalk

kirstyes
@KarenIvey Please send tweets when you can – we won’t be collating for 24 hours #OTalk

kirstyes
RT @jm78uk: Using PEOP & ICF is a wonderful combination for teaching and learning for foundational knowledge about the impact of health/ill…

kilner100
Hi guys, just catching up with #otalk. We’ve had teaching on ICF but not in practice. Love to hear about applications and any tools

Bethanhc
@jm78uk Agree, it is useful re impact of illness. Not the same as disability and is understandably less popular in disability world. #OTalk

kirstyes
.@jm78uk I’d like to hear more about integrating these two aspects. #OTalk

Symbolic_Life
Im wondering does this support the OT role in health care? Eg advocating the dynamic relationship of components and disability? #OTalk

TherapistOT
@Bethanhc agree its the central dynamic transaction tha I really like but its symmetry can beguile me into thinking balance is a goal #otalk

Sibellgul
How and where would you apply it? @Bethanhc @kirstyes #OTalk

Bethanhc
@KarenIvey Agree. Also helps hugely with research and outcome measurement of health interventions. #OTalk

kilner100
@Symbolic_Life plus taking emphasis off impairment and onto aspects of the environment etc #SocialModel #OTalk

BillWongOT
@jeanahpm couldn’t really say because it is not quite obviously mentioned a lot at my place of work now. #otalk

Bethanhc
@Symbolic_Life When it first came out OTs were embracing it due to participation element. Now there is more critique. #OTalk

jm78uk
@Bethanhc agree but it is a classification system. Depends whether you feel a classification system has a place at all! #OTalk

Dai2584
Hi everyone. I have no really experience of this or how its used in practice to be honest #OTalk

BillWongOT
I do think ICF is integrated in US OT practice… Some are more obvious than others. #otalk

jm78uk
@Bethanhc as well as your philosophical perspective! #OTalk

jeanahpm
@KarenIvey #otalk yes fully agree break down prof barriers

BillWongOT
In my hand therapy placement, it is used as a criteria to justify a client to be eligible for services for billing purposes. #otalk

kirstyes
What strategies have people used to integrate ICF into their services? #otalk (If you have of course)

BillWongOT
RT @Bethanhc: @OTalk_Occhat for those interested #otalk The ICF Training manual is freely available here http://t.co/0FKr1EuyQR

BillWongOT
@Maria_Markland @TherapistOT I like that too. #otalk

Bethanhc
@Sibellgul @kirstyes research using as outcome measure; means of assessing impact of health on individual in cross-professional lang #OTalk

TherapistOT
RT @KarenIvey: The best thing about the ICF is it enables you to speak across professional boundaries and be understood #OTalk

kirstyes
RT @Bethanhc: @Sibellgul @kirstyes research using as outcome measure; means of assessing impact of health on individual in cross-profession…

BillWongOT
@Maria_Markland @TherapistOT I know autism is seen as a spectrum in terms of functioning levels. #otalk

Bethanhc
@jm78uk Couldn’t agree more! Health statisticians may need it… OTS? #otalk

TherapistOT
@Sibellgul @Bethanhc @kirstyes I use in my initial assessment to build a formulation of what happening to the individual #otalk

kilner100
@KarenIvey @Bethanhc how much are other professions using it in UK services? #otalk can we learn from them?

BillWongOT
@KarenIvey agreed! #otalk it is like universal language that health professionals can understand. Easy for billing too. #otalk

BillWongOT
I think there’s a benefit in using ICF in our practice. However, it’s important to gauge where every1 else is at at ur work setting. #otalk

Bethanhc
ICF measures disability. I don’t want to be measured, thanks. I want to have equal rights, equal access and meaningful occupations. #otalk

BillWongOT
If it’s strategies, I would say discussing with you all on #otalk will help me do this more confidently in my practice at my peds clinic.

BillWongOT
@TherapistOT I am sorta live, but not really… Eating lunch at my work… Before getting ready for my kiddo in 30 something minutes. #otalk

kirstyes
RT @jm78uk: @Bethanhc agree but it is a classification system. Depends whether you feel a classification system has a place at all! #OTalk

Bethanhc
@TherapistOT @Sibellgul @kirstyes Lots of evidence highlighting its use as an outcome measure is helpful. #OTalk

BillWongOT
RT @Bethanhc: @Symbolic_Life When it first came out OTs were embracing it due to participation element. Now there is more critique. #OTalk

kilner100
RT @Bethanhc: ICF measures disability. I don’t want to be measured, thanks. I want to have equal rights, equal access and meaningful occupa…

TherapistOT
@jeanahpm @BillWongOT I think most course cover it 🙂 but because its not really adopted in practice it is often seen as irrelevant #otalk

Symbolic_Life
@Bethanhc I think I’m in need to search the critique to create a sound opinion for my learning 🙂 #otalk

jm78uk
@Bethanhc now we are talking about OT! #OTalk

Maria_Markland
@TherapistOT I can see how it would be useful for this, as you said in your artilce, as an initial template for considering all areas #otalk

kirstyes
@Bethanhc @TherapistOT @Sibellgul Is it sensitive enough to capture changes made by OT intervention in all settings? #OTalk

TherapistOT
@Dai2584 I don’t think its widely used at all …like a lot theory!! #otalk

kirstyes
RT @Bethanhc: ICF measures disability. I don’t want to be measured, thanks. I want to have equal rights, equal access and meaningful occupa…

Maria_Markland
@Symbolic_Life @Bethanhc Me too Michelle! But this chat is a good start! 🙂 #OTalk

kilner100
@Maria_Markland @TherapistOT yes I thought that sounded useful, but then a proper OT model wld do that and include #occupation #otalk

Bethanhc
@jm78uk Yet OTs (who think they know about disability) are obsessed with it! Nothing to do with real-life disability. #OTalk

Symbolic_Life
Does our models incorporate principles of ICF? I know the AUSTOMS assessments do #OTalk

Symbolic_Life
RT @kilner100: @Maria_Markland @TherapistOT yes I thought that sounded useful, but then a proper OT model wld do that and include #occupati

Symbolic_Life
@Maria_Markland @Bethanhc I agree 🙂 #otalk

TherapistOT
@jm78uk @Bethanhc I utilise it from a social constructionist perspective & also like to draw on a Deleuzian perspective! #otalk

kilner100
@Maria_Markland @TherapistOT is the main benefit in practice, given the critiques, that it uses language others understand? #otalk

Bethanhc
@Maria_Markland @Symbolic_Life Around 2001 – 2005 there were a whole rake of articles in AJOT, beginning with positive ones. #OTalk

BillWongOT
RT @Maria_Markland: @Symbolic_Life @Bethanhc Me too Michelle! But this chat is a good start! 🙂 #OTalk

BillWongOT
When I discuss the term occupation in other languages, I use a round about way to do it so that people can understand. #otalk

kirstyes
RT @Symbolic_Life: Does our models incorporate principles of ICF? I know the AUSTOMS assessments do #OTalk

BillWongOT
In my setting, I have to think of using the term occupation in Cantonese and Mandarin, too. #welcomechallenge #otalk

BillWongOT
A challenge for me to use ICF for my practice is my own knowledge in it. It’s not as second nature as MOHO or PEO. #otalk

BillWongOT
RT @Bethanhc: @Maria_Markland @Symbolic_Life Around 2001 – 2005 there were a whole rake of articles in AJOT, beginning with positive ones. …

kirstyes
@TherapistOT @jm78uk @Bethanhc and a Deleuzian perspective is?? #otalk

TherapistOT
@BillWongOT that is what I seemed to gather from reports of US utilisation #otalk

jm78uk
Useful to view the structure &function domains as knowledge. Then client narratives should be about activity, participation & enviro #OTalk

BillWongOT
RT @Symbolic_Life: Does our models incorporate principles of ICF? I know the AUSTOMS assessments do #OTalk

Bethanhc
@Symbolic_Life OT models focus on occupation: ICF measures impact of health in terms of “activity” and “participation. Different #OTalk

BillWongOT
@kirstyes I think PEO and Moho do. #otalk

Bethanhc
@BillWongOT Nor should it be! You are an OT not a health researcher!! #OTalk

kirstyes
@BillWongOT sorry Bill, not sure which tweet this is referring to #otalk

Bethanhc
@jm78uk Trouble is that ICF forgets about narratives and lived experience… #OTalk

Symbolic_Life
@Bethanhc are the definitions of activity and participation specified? Do you not feel the models have a relation to its principles? #OTalk

kirstyes
RT @jm78uk: Useful to view the structure &function domains as knowledge. Then client narratives should be about activity, participation & …

Bethanhc
ICF doesn’t reflect diversity of experience in participation for one individual (Henningsson & Jonsson 2005) #otalk

TherapistOT
@kirstyes @jm78uk @Bethanhc read Capitalism & Schizophrenia pt1 & especially pt2 :1000 Plateaus it will blow your mind 🙂 #otalk

BillWongOT
What I mean by that is- I will present what occupation means first in these languages. Then, I will introduce the term. #otalk

BillWongOT
In my example, I think being aware of the context of how we may introduce the term occupation is key. #otalk

BillWongOT
@Bethanhc I personally didn’t like how the ICF was introduced as an FYI item, though, in my OT education. #otalk

Symbolic_Life
@BillWongOT to advocation and role yes! #otalk

kirstyes
.@Bethanhc @jm78uk Surely this is where clinical application comes in and where we as therapists should fill the substantial gaps #OTalk

BillWongOT
@kirstyes the question you posted a few minutes ago. #otalk

Bethanhc
Participation “linked to individual circumstances rather than grounded in social and political inclusion” (Barnes & Mercer 2004) #OTalk

BillWongOT
RT @Bethanhc: ICF doesn’t reflect diversity of experience in participation for one individual (Henningsson & Jonsson 2005) #otalk

kirstyes
.@TherapistOT @jm78uk @Bethanhc Not sure my mind can cope with being more blown at the moment. I will bookmark the tweet for later #otalk

Symbolic_Life
RT @Bethanhc: Participation “linked to individual circumstances rather than grounded in social and political inclusion” (Barnes & Mercer 2…

TherapistOT
@kirstyes @Bethanhc @jm78uk yes I see it as a flawed tool but aren’t they all #otalk

kirstyes
@Bethanhc By diversity of experience here do you mean variations in participation, different meanings and levels based on context? #OTalk

BillWongOT
Hard to be at lunch and be on the lookout for time to resume work and participate at #otalk at the same time. Thank goodness to pre-tweets!

BillWongOT
RT @Bethanhc: Participation “linked to individual circumstances rather than grounded in social and political inclusion” (Barnes & Mercer 2…

Bethanhc
@Symbolic_Life very clearly defined. All about impact of illness on a list of “activities” and domains of “participation” #OTalk

kirstyes
@BillWongOT I’ve posted a few Bill sorry this isn’t linking back to them in my app. Not to worry. #otalk

BillWongOT
The reason we have to set good examples to placement students is because we have power to influence students as they are learning. #otalk

BillWongOT
Not only we have to demonstrate to our clients/families, but also to placement students! #otalk 2/2

BillWongOT
I think as professionals, we have to set examples to be smart consumers of information (ESP. Regarding changes/new dev.) 1/2 #otalk

kirstyes
@TherapistOT @Bethanhc @jm78uk The more look at them the more I think yes. Why it’s so important to develop critical analysis skills #otalk

BillWongOT
RT @Bethanhc: @Symbolic_Life very clearly defined. All about impact of illness on a list of “activities” and domains of “participation” #O

TherapistOT
@Bethanhc @jm78uk like the acknowledgement of constant dynamism & flux inlife,a tool that can help to extract me from my assumptions #otalk

Symbolic_Life
@Bethanhc ok so if im on the right line.. It’s not informing occupation in accordance with performance. #otalk

Bethanhc
@kirstyes & subjective meaning and interpretation. Assumes that participation is stable for an individual Paper is very good – AJOT #OTalk

Symbolic_Life
RT @Bethanhc: @kirstyes & subjective meaning and interpretation. Assumes that participation is stable for an individual Paper is very good …

Sibellgul
Would have been interesting to see the if the outcome would be different with using ICF for Ini.Ax and other Ax @TherapistOT @Bethanhc#OTalk

PatriciaRegan
Learned ICF doing a multidisciplinary MSc in Disability Studies, useful in academic discussion but OT models used at work#OTalk

TherapistOT
@Bethanhc @Symbolic_Life different but with similarities 🙂 #otalk

BillWongOT
RT @Bethanhc: @kirstyes & subjective meaning and interpretation. Assumes that participation is stable for an individual Paper is very good …

Bethanhc
ICF still assumes that disability is primarily a product of health/impairment (Waddell & Burton 2004) – that is an issue I think #otalk

TherapistOT
RT @kirstyes: @TherapistOT @Bethanhc @jm78uk The more look at them the more I think yes. Why it’s so important to develop critical analysis…

Symbolic_Life
RT @Bethanhc: ICF still assumes that disability is primarily a product of health/impairment (Waddell & Burton 2004) – that is an issue I th…

Bethanhc
Some disability activists (eg Pfeiffer) called for its abolition as it “does not conform to the minority group paradigm” #otalk

danbrunetti
Forgotten about #otalk watching #greatbritishbakeoff …it’s an occupation!

kilner100
@Bethanhc @Symbolic_Life oops! #otalk is icf focus on impact of illness on participation rather than of part’n on health. #ot #interesting

Sibellgul
Would’ve been interesting to see the if the outcome would be different with using ICF for Ini.Ax and other Ax @TherapistOT @Bethanhc #OTalk

BillWongOT
RT @Bethanhc: ICF still assumes that disability is primarily a product of health/impairment (Waddell & Burton 2004) – that is an issue I th…

BillWongOT
RT @Bethanhc: Some disability activists (eg Pfeiffer) called for its abolition as it “does not conform to the minority group paradigm” #ot

BillWongOT
In services/journal clubs are helpful because it will be good to hear everyone’s opinions about impending changes. #otalk

BillWongOT
Another thing that will be helpful- schedule in-services and/or journal clubs at our workplace. #otalk

kirstyes
@Bethanhc Do you have rough title – I’m trying to find it to provide link #otalk – thanks

Sibellgul
RT @Bethanhc: ICF still assumes that disability is primarily a product of health/impairment (Waddell & Burton 2004) – that is an issue I th…

Bethanhc
@Symbolic_Life It’s not about occupation. Participation is pc word for “handicap”, which was in the ICIDH, upon which ICF is based #OTalk

kirstyes
RT @Sibellgul: Would’ve been interesting to see the if the outcome would be different with using ICF for Ini.Ax and other Ax @TherapistOT @…

TherapistOT
@kirstyes @Bethanhc @jm78uk emptiness of the ICF transaction can be inhabited by the unique detail of the person:support analysis #otalk

BillWongOT
RT @Sibellgul: Would’ve been interesting to see the if the outcome would be different with using ICF for Ini.Ax and other Ax @TherapistOT @…

Bethanhc
@kilner100 @Symbolic_Life Yes! about how illness and the environment can restrict “participation” #OTalk

kirstyes
Ten minute warning for #otalk@TherapistOT Any final questions you’d like to get people discussing?

TherapistOT
@Bethanhc @Symbolic_Life that’s not how the WHO define it #otalk

Symbolic_Life
@Bethanhc I think we got our wires crossed but I now understand, thank you #otalk

Bethanhc
@kirstyes Critical reflection of impact of the environment in ICF or something like that – can look it up and DM. #OTalk

kilner100
@Bethanhc @Symbolic_Life ouch! That puts a different spin on it. Need to read the detail not assume the words mean the same #otalk

BillWongOT
If we want to go beyond our workplace, we should do conference presentations on such topics! #otalk

jm78uk
Thanks for the chat! I need to dash. #otalk

TherapistOT
@Bethanhc @Symbolic_Life you can use the mechanism without diagnosis, all the components are in a transaction equally weighted #otalk

kilner100
@Bethanhc @Symbolic_Life is there a danger then that professions use the same words in icf but mean different things? #otalk

Symbolic_Life
Thanks for the chat was great I’ve lots to think about / learn. #OTalk

PatriciaRegan
@BillWongOT I agree, but I find ICF in academic discussion, OT models in use in all workplaces I’ve been in #OTalk

kilner100
RT @danbrunetti: Forgotten about #otalk watching #greatbritishbakeoff …it’s an occupation! Trying to do both. #occupationalBalance

Symbolic_Life
@kilner100 @Bethanhc impacting advocating OT meaning and work roles! #otalk

PatriciaRegan
@kilner100 @Bethanhc @Symbolic_Life Definitely, I learned ICF in multidisciplinary setting, was open to interpretation #OTalk

BillWongOT
Another take home point is- for those of us who are placement educators, setting good examples is vital, ESP. Regarding changes #otalk

BillWongOT
My take home point is- ICF has its place in OT. I think educators play very important role in introducing it to students. #otalk

kirstyes
RT @kilner100: @Bethanhc @Symbolic_Life ouch! That puts a different spin on it. Need to read the detail not assume the words mean the same …

Symbolic_Life
RT @Bethanhc: Some disability activists (eg Pfeiffer) called for its abolition as it “does not conform to the minority group paradigm” #ot

kirstyes
@kilner100 @Bethanhc @Symbolic_Life Yes very important to make sure we are all speaking the same language-glossary first thing to see #otalk

kilner100
@Bethanhc @kirstyes wld welcome the ref. Sounds useful #otalk. Lots to think about, thanks for the chat!

kirstyes
@jm78uk Thanks so much for your ‘participation’ #OTalk

kirstyes
RT @TherapistOT: @Bethanhc @Symbolic_Life you can use the mechanism without diagnosis, all the components are in a transaction equally wei…

Sibellgul
Well said. But in our day to day practice our vision might get blurred and narrow our practice stale @jm78uk @TherapistOT @kirstyes #OTalk

kirstyes
@kilner100 @Bethanhc I’ve tweeted it #OTalk

PatriciaRegan
@Sibellgul I agree #OTalk

kirstyes
Ok folks – we are out of #otalk time and I need to head off too. Thanks @TherapistOT for hosting and to everyone for a good variety of views

Sibellgul
RT @TherapistOT: #OTalk & I think it was a revolutionary move for the WHO & let them catch up with our theory 🙂

kirstyes
So next week I believe is @pd2ot and looking at When OT Goes Wrong!! #otalk – Could be good fun. Welcome service user views for this one.

PatriciaRegan
@TherapistOT ICF could do with updating alright, but was on the right track:) #OTalk thanks for hosting

pd2ot
@kirstyes I am indeed! I’ll create a bit of a blog post tomorrow to prompt thinking on the subject #OTalk

Maria_Markland
@kirstyes @TherapistOT Thanks all! Enjoyed hearing your different views on the use/possible manner of use of ICF & its r/ship to OT #OTalk

kirstyes
@Ononjamcon Hi I’ve not used it clinically. Can be used as outcome measure. Take a look at #otalk tweets for last hour for more info

Bird20116
RT @jm78uk: Useful to view the structure &function domains as knowledge. Then client narratives should be about activity, participation & …

Sibellgul
It doesn’t claim that. it enables me to see the ‘environment’ as for being dynamic and adaptable @TherapistO @Bethanhc @jm78uk #OTalk

kirstyes
@pd2ot great. Will @IamCarrieeeeee be joining us? #otalk

kirstyes
@Maria_Markland @TherapistOT thanks Maria. It’s something that I need to read about more too. #otalk

Maria_Markland
@kirstyes @pd2ot Great topic! Sad to miss it! I’m busy assisting with an anxiety management group for placement. Will join in after #OTalk

pd2ot
@Maria_Markland we’d love to have your views on the blog (when it’s done!) #Otalk @kirstyes

kirstyes
@Ononjamcon bless you. I’ll post the transcript on the blog in the next couple of days. #otalk

Maria_Markland
@pd2ot @kirstyes Will do! It’s going to be great from a student perspective to hear about OT going wrong and learning from it! #otalk

Maria_Markland
RT @pd2ot: @Maria_Markland we’d love to have your views on the blog (when it’s done!) #Otalk @kirstyes

morrisKOT
@Bethanhc @TherapistOT sorry i missed it! #Otalk

Symbolic_Life
@itsmefrarah if can be confusing I’m still learning. Last night chat was rather insightful though. #otalk

BillWongOT
@Maria_Markland or do what I have been doing- I pre-tweet the night before. You can have them show up at #otalk time.

Dalton44x62
@Mr_SoFar_Gone http://t.co/LmOxvxoTz8

KarenIvey
@DrWMB wrote a competency document 10 years ago using the ICF it’s still relevant today so it stands the test of time as well #OTalk

DrWMB
“@KarenIvey: @DrWMB wrote a competency document 10 years ago using the ICF – still relevant today #OTalk” thanks Karen

 

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