#OTalk – Bread and Butter OT – Grabchat 16th October 2012

Please find below the grabchat from this talk – summary to follow.

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@OTalk_Occhat Tomorrow’s #OTalk is on Bread and Butter OT. What do you think it is? How should we spread ourselves. Hosted by @kirstyes (um me).(Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:57:16 +0100)
@kirstyes RT @OTalk_Occhat : Tomorrow’s #OTalk is on Bread and Butter OT. What do you think it is? How should we spread ourselves. Hosted by @kirstyes (um me).(Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:57:45 +0100)
@BillWongOT @allisulli and we will chat on #otalk tomorrow.(Mon, 15 Oct 2012 23:12:58 +0100)
@allisulli RT @OTalk_Occhat : Tomorrow’s #OTalk is on Bread and Butter OT. What do you think it is? How should we spread ourselves. Hosted by @kirstyes (um me).(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:09:40 +0100)
@allisulli @OTalk_Occhat @kirstyes perfect timing for this talk. I am spread so thin right now, I’m practically see-through. #otalk abt it laterz:)(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:37:21 +0100)
@BAOTCOT Tonight’s #OTalk is on bread and butter OT – follow @OTalk_Occhat for more details, and look out a feature in Nov’s OTnews on #OTalk !(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:26:16 +0100)
@kirstyes @allisulli Look forward to #otalk ing with you later. Hope you are ok.(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:13:00 +0100)
@kirstyes @BillWongOT sorry was continuing the bread and butter analogy. You wait there’s a picture to go with it later! #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:13:46 +0100)
@kirstyes @gillu3 bread and butter OT, it’s going to be a debate based on a presentation I did at #COT2012 this year #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:26:38 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat Hi all for tonight’s #OTalk I’ll be tweeting from @kirstyes . Don’t forget if you want your comments to be included in summary that you 1/2(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:31:13 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat 2/2 #OTalk to have an unprotected account or ask me/let me follow you so I can see them. Thanks. @kirstyes (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:31:58 +0100)
@gcarinlevy Tonight’s #OTalk is on bread and butter OT – i hope for once to be able to follow @OTalk_Occhat !(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:35:50 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat @gcarinlevy Please do and even join in we’d love to have you. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:42:34 +0100)
@kirstyes @northern4ever hi, looking to join in with #OTalk – great to have you on board.(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:47:16 +0100)
@claireOT @gillu3 @sarahahpmh don’t forget to add the #OTalk to your tweets so our community will see them x(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:21:21 +0100)
@claireOT I’ve been a bit quiet today, hope to lurk if not participate in tonight’s #otalk – you coming? 30minutes yo go- tonight hosted by @kirstyes (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:33:40 +0100)
@kirstyes For #OTalk for those who are interested you can find my notes here http://t.co/HOqipX95 to accompany my prezi here http://t.co/ACUSnKjh (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:41:35 +0100)
@kirstyes @BillWongOT Not ironic really – I heard similar discussions today. Hopefully that means we can pull together. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:50:41 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes or ingredients of a rich discussion. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:52:15 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes Perhaps I will dig up the handout I received from my small group discussion in my OTD class 2 weeks ago. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:59:15 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes I am digging it out to see if there are relevant questions. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:59:31 +0100)
@kirstyes Hi all at #OTalk please introduce yourself and the area of practice you work/worked/have been on placement/educate in etc(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:01:18 +0100)
@MissHeather6 #OTalk excited for this weeks OTalk :)(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:01:42 +0100)
@MissHeather6 #OTalk I am in my last year of Graduate School(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:02:18 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes I am currently an OTD student & awaiting for my licensing exam results in a couple days. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:04:13 +0100)
@kirstyes @BillWongOT What placements have you been on? #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:05:31 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes Placements I have done? Mental Health, Pediatrics, and Outpatient Phys Dys/Hand therapy, acute care (phys dys) #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:06:23 +0100)
@kirstyes The second question is – What are the core #OT skills you use in this area? #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:08:20 +0100)
@Helen_otuk evening all
#otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:08:29 +0100)
@northern4ever @kirstyes I’m Lesley Smith. I work both as an independent paediatric OT and manage an NHS MDT community therapy service #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:08:47 +0100)
@kirstyes @MissHeather6 Hi Heather – what practice areas have you been in? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:09:21 +0100)
@kirstyes @Helen_otuk Hi Helen #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:09:39 +0100)
@stairliftscheme RT @Helen_otuk : evening all
#otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:10:21 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes Mental health- building rapport, group facilitation, client-centered (sometimes family centered), motivational interviewing #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:11:05 +0100)
@MHOTJohnC Hi #otalk #occhat anyone know the name of the OT that developed the classification system for the paralympics?(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:11:32 +0100)
@kirstyes @MissHeather6 what were the OT core skills used in your level 1 placement? #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:12:35 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes peds- sensory integration, handwriting, environmental modification, child/family centered interventions #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:12:37 +0100)
@claireOT @sarahahpmh hi Sarah, @kirstyes and everyone! Don’t forget to add #otalk to your tweets or people could miss them! @gillu3 (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:13:55 +0100)
@gillu3 @sarahahpmh #OTalk link in there(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:14:00 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes hand therapy- PAMs, rapport building (w/ clients), splinting, ROM & MMT testing #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:14:10 +0100)
@kirstyes @MHOTJohnC http://t.co/cqLYjICr #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:14:22 +0100)
@kirstyes RT @claireOT : @sarahahpmh hi Sarah, @kirstyes and everyone! Don’t forget to add #otalk to your tweets or people could miss them! @gillu3 (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:15:13 +0100)
@kirstyes When I first qualified this is what I thought bread and butter OT was:

Guess what area I worked in? #OTalk http://t.co/toKtRSeX (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:15:57 +0100)

@Helen_otuk @kirstyes lol…. mmmm now let me think!
#otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:16:42 +0100)
@kirstyes @Helen_otuk Ha!! #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:17:37 +0100)
@Helen_otuk I am in social care, so also had a narrow view, but this has expanded over the years. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:18:37 +0100)
@kirstyes Let me put the question another way instead of what are the core skills, what is the ‘bread and butter’ OT in your setting? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:18:51 +0100)
@claireOT I think the core skills I would call “bread and butter” are empathic listening, client centredness, activity analysis, use of Models, #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:19:12 +0100)
@BillWongOT @claireOT agreed! I would also add specific interventions (such as SI, PAMs, etc.) #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:20:21 +0100)
@gillu3 @kirstyes #OTalk in forensic work we have 3 pillars, the hard to reach, rehab inc voc rehab and physical health and activity(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:20:57 +0100)
@Helen_otuk For me, listening, understanding, assessment, activity analysis, task analysis, environmental adaptation. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:20:58 +0100)
@BillWongOT @claireOT and some cases empathetic listening would apply when we listen to the caregivers rather than our clients #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:20:59 +0100)
@kirstyes . @claireOT just mentioned activity analysis which is closer. What about occupation analysis? #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:22:22 +0100)
@gillu3 @kirstyes I’m confused. Are we talking basic skills or where we should focus our expertise #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:23:08 +0100)
@kirstyes . @BillWongOT @claireot remind me what PAMs is Bill?
Personally I would say these are adjunct skills (poss unique to OT maybe not) #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:23:18 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes @claireOT Is it equivalent to “functional analysis”? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:23:39 +0100)
@kirstyes . @gillu3 the hard to reach? #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:23:52 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes @claireOT PAMs = physical agent modalities #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:24:01 +0100)
@allisulli RT @BillWongOT : @claireOT agreed! I would also add specific interventions (such as SI, PAMs, etc.) #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:24:18 +0100)
@kirstyes . ? @gillu3 : @kirstyes I’m confused. Are we talking basic skills or where we should focus our expertise #OTalk ? where we should focus(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:24:27 +0100)
@Helen_otuk @gillu3 I was thinking the things I do everyday? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:24:39 +0100)
@BillWongOT @gillu3 @kirstyes I think when I answered the questions, I was thinking expertise. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:24:40 +0100)
@kirstyes @BillWongOT functional analysis I would suggest is similar to activity analysis. Occupation analysis is about understanding meaning #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:25:58 +0100)
@BillWongOT @Helen_otuk @gillu3 but I think both are EQUALLY important. We need basic skills, but we also need specialized skills. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:26:11 +0100)
@gillu3 @Helen_otuk #OTalk what we do every day might not be what we should be doing(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:26:54 +0100)
@Helen_otuk I think of each of the things I do as mentioned before in the terms moving towards enabling occupational engagement. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:26:55 +0100)
@allisulli #OTalk IMHO, Therapeutic Use of Self is the bread & butter of my practice. How can one be truly client centered & occupation-based w/o it?(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:26:57 +0100)
@allisulli RT @gillu3 : @kirstyes #OTalk in forensic work we have 3 pillars, the hard to reach, rehab inc voc rehab and physical health and activity(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:27:12 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes that makes sense, for certain settings, occupational analysis is just as important as functional analysis. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:27:28 +0100)
@kirstyes @Helen_otuk @gillu3 #otalk – this is what we often do is describe our role as what we do rather than by our bread and butter.(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:27:39 +0100)
@kirstyes @Helen_otuk @gillu3 which we’ve discussed before is often easier when using case studies. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:28:02 +0100)
@stairliftscheme RT @Helen_otuk : I think of each of the things I do as mentioned before in the terms moving towards enabling occupational engagement. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:28:13 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes I think lifestyle redesign focuses a lot on occupational analysis. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:28:17 +0100)
@kirstyes RT @Helen_otuk : I think of each of the things I do as mentioned before in the terms moving towards enabling occupational engagement. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:28:18 +0100)
@kirstyes @Helen_otuk Exactly – so why don’t we start there and then work back to the how? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:28:45 +0100)
@BillWongOT RT @allisulli : #OTalk IMHO, Therapeutic Use of Self is the bread & butter of my practice. How can one be truly client centered & occupation-based w/o it?(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:28:51 +0100)
@kirstyes RT @gillu3 : @Helen_otuk #OTalk what we do every day might not be what we should be doing(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:28:57 +0100)
@Helen_otuk @kirstyes I don’t know! #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:29:23 +0100)
@BillWongOT @allisulli agreed! I will also add family centered, too. Family centered is just as important as client centered. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:29:28 +0100)
@kirstyes @gillu3 Sure, can I get this clear though, in terms of examples? #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:29:43 +0100)
@kirstyes RT @BillWongOT : @kirstyes I think lifestyle redesign focuses a lot on occupational analysis. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:30:20 +0100)
@BillWongOT @gillu3 @Helen_otuk what do you mean by Rx? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:30:21 +0100)
@bobcollinsOT Good evening all on #Otalk ! Quietly reading the debate around the ‘bread and butter’ of OT.(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:30:51 +0100)
@kirstyes My argument was that there is lots of good occupation based practice that isn’t always being done by OTs #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:30:58 +0100)
@kirstyes There was some suggestion at an event today that as OTs we should be saying No to doing some things #OTalk what would you like to say no to?(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:31:55 +0100)
@LeonoraOT #OTalk half way in?I’m just looking in late, hi there 🙂 is on bread and butter OT MT @ OTalk_Occhat and look out a feature in Nov’s OTnews”(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:32:15 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes I agree. I have heard hand therapy is probably the worst, at least amongst my classmates’ opinion. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:33:05 +0100)
@kirstyes OK let’s try and get this clear with an example. Mr A comes to you with carpel tunnel,what would occupation based practice look like? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:34:02 +0100)
@BillWongOT @gillu3 @Helen_otuk thanks… but I think how is also important in this day and age, especially with telehealth. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:34:15 +0100)
@kirstyes @bobcollinsOT evening #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:34:50 +0100)
@Helen_otuk @kirstyes I thnk that depends on role, not all OT’s are doing ‘just’ OT some generic roles with use of OT focus / skills etc? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:35:07 +0100)
@kirstyes @gillu3 sorry about that. Trying to clarify where people’s thoughts lie before we move on. Feel free to jump ahead though #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:35:46 +0100)
@Helen_otuk @kirstyes that would depend on what occupations he wishes to return to / engage in.
#otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:36:21 +0100)
@MissHeather6 @kirstyes what occupations does he want 2 do. What is important 2him. This is y it is important to build a relationship with clients #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:36:59 +0100)
@Helen_otuk @kirstyes what are his motivations and restrictions. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:37:25 +0100)
@BillWongOT @gillu3 @Helen_otuk u misunderstood my intent. Say ur clinic is the only service available within 2+ hours drive from a client 1/2 #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:37:25 +0100)
@kirstyes RT @Helen_otuk : @kirstyes that would depend on what occupations he wishes to return to / engage in.
#otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:37:29 +0100)
@gillu3 @kirstyes #OTalk . So what is the question now?(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:37:55 +0100)
@BillWongOT @gillu3 @Helen_otuk would you ask him/her to do this drive every time, if the option of telehealth is available? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:38:04 +0100)
@kirstyes @sarahahpmh @helen_otuk @gillu3 I’m using bread and butter as a metaphor. Interesting to hear what people think their core skills are #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:38:55 +0100)
@CharOTReilly @claireOT another bread and butter OT skill is observation, being able to observe, play, ADLs, work for example #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:39:05 +0100)
@BillWongOT @gillu3 @Helen_otuk in where I live, that can be a possibility. A client can live 4-5 hour drive from an ideal service provider. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:39:10 +0100)
@kirstyes @sarahahpmh @helen_otuk @gillu3 did you mean if not ourselves? If so I think I agree. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:39:22 +0100)
@BillWongOT @gillu3 @Helen_otuk for adults w/ autism, I can say that can be a reality in regards to OT services goes. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:40:51 +0100)
@kirstyes . @gillu3 #OTalk the next issue would be how do OTs embrace Occupational science to support developing more occupation based practice?(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:40:59 +0100)
@BillWongOT @gillu3 @Helen_otuk One time I looked up possible services for a parent. The nearest OT/PT/speech clinic to her is 1-2 hours away. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:42:33 +0100)
@BillWongOT @gillu3 @Helen_otuk major cities can benefit from wealth of services, but how about rural areas? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:42:55 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat RT @kirstyes : For #OTalk for those who are interested you can find my notes here http://t.co/HOqipX95 to accompany my prezi here http://t.co/ACUSnKjh (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:43:02 +0100)
@gillu3 @kirstyes #OTalk occupation based services have never been more valued at political level(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:43:13 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes @gillu3 That was the issue discussed a couple weeks ago in my class. #otalk 1/2(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:43:28 +0100)
@CharOTReilly @kirstyes first question, would be asking him how his CP has impacted on his daily life. The goals will determine occupation focused #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:44:09 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes @gillu3 we talked about occupational scientists should make constant dialogue with OT’s to see if findings make sense. #otalk 2/2(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:44:12 +0100)
@kirstyes @gillu3 so how do we capitalise on this because it seems to often be other professions/services that are? Is this a problem? #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:44:15 +0100)
@MissHeather6 @BillWongOT @gillu3 @helen_otuk telehealth is up and coming in the medical field. As OTs more people will be able to benefit from us #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:44:21 +0100)
@kirstyes . @CharOTReilly do you think this always happens in practice now? #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:44:52 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes @gillu3 My classmates mentioned Erna Blanche as a great ex. of being a researcher who present findings that makes sense. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:45:06 +0100)
@DrWMB #OTalk sorry probably too late, like the idea of bread and butter OT, suggest its anything with direct and honest contact with service users(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:45:13 +0100)
@allisulli RT @DrWMB : #OTalk sorry probably too late, like the idea of bread and butter OT, suggest its anything with direct and honest contact with service users(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:45:48 +0100)
@kirstyes @Helen_otuk very true, do you think this is a concern or not? How do you replace like for like? #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:45:48 +0100)
@BillWongOT @gillu3 I know a little bit, too. Tammy Richmond in my school is also a queen of it. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:45:52 +0100)
@kirstyes . @allisulli sorry Alli, missed this. Yes I do think therapeutic use of self is very important. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:46:55 +0100)
@allisulli @DrWMB I don’t think it’s ever too late to put direct and honest contact front and center with regard to client-centered care:) #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:47:14 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes @gillu3 as a future occupational scientist, my goal is to connect with OT’s so that I know I’m not researching rubbish. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:47:30 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes @allisulli I forgot… how about creativity? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:48:11 +0100)
@northern4ever @kirstyes I huge part of our role is empowerment. We no longer have capacity to carry out ongoing OT, 1/2 #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:48:11 +0100)
@allisulli RT @kirstyes : . @allisulli sorry Alli, missed this. Yes I do think therapeutic use of self is very important. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:48:47 +0100)
@Helen_otuk @kirstyes do not think it is a concern as such, but OT needs to be aware and ensure providing occupational expertise. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:48:48 +0100)
@northern4ever @kirstyes We therefore need to teach & empower those working with children, to help them to develop their skills 2/2 #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:49:02 +0100)
@Helen_otuk MT @DrWMB :like the idea of bread and butter OT, suggest its anything with direct and honest contact with service users #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:49:33 +0100)
@BillWongOT @Helen_otuk @kirstyes I like it. It applies to many settings! #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:50:25 +0100)
@DrWMB #OTalk definitions of occupation tend to be so broad that having an occupational focus in practice becomes difficult to define clearly?(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:50:31 +0100)
@BillWongOT @Helen_otuk @DrWMB but I think certain instances that makes it difficult. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:50:53 +0100)
@BillWongOT @gillu3 @kirstyes I am saying that because I will be more of a researcher than a practitioner. Gotta play to my strengths, right? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:51:48 +0100)
@allisulli @BillWongOT @kirstyes I think #creativity is important for improvising, but not always essential. Reliable, authentic more important #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:52:14 +0100)
@BillWongOT @gillu3 @kirstyes My classmates all see me being a researcher because my background coming into was statistics. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:52:22 +0100)
@allisulli RT @DrWMB : #OTalk definitions of occupation tend to be so broad that having an occupational focus in practice becomes difficult to define clearly?(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:52:34 +0100)
@DrWMB @BillWongOT #OTalk yes, it is difficult but I was surprised in my years of practice how much time was spent not seeing service users(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:53:08 +0100)
@kirstyes @gillu3 fully appreciate that some may not be happy to answer this, thanks for pointing out. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:53:29 +0100)
@MHOTJohnC @kirstyes @allisulli it is part of the Art of OT Practice which is just as important as the science. (e.g. ref Peloquin). #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:53:31 +0100)
@allisulli @DrWMB #Otalk this is a huge problem and we see in practice that it is often not possible to deliver this type of service.(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:53:32 +0100)
@Helen_otuk @DrWMB does that show a need to define occupation within our role or field? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:53:33 +0100)
@bobcollinsOT #otalk Direct and honest contact with people has to be the ‘bread and butter’. Person centred skills follow on but we need occ science…1/2(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:53:50 +0100)
@BillWongOT @allisulli @kirstyes true. I think having some can help in regards to developing family and client centered interventions. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:54:03 +0100)
@MissHeather6 @allisulli @billwongot I am glad 2 b learning from u bc I feel these are becoming important to me because you discuss them so much #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:54:32 +0100)
@bobcollinsOT #otalk 2/2 to underpin a focus ultimately on participation in occupations.(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:54:54 +0100)
@CharOTReilly @allisulli @BillWongOT @kirstyes i feel that creativity is essential because we need creativity to problem solve,esp with complex SU #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:55:11 +0100)
@DrWMB @Helen_otuk #otalk maybe to be prepared to explain how you understand occupation. I used to find having different versions helpful(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:55:23 +0100)
@kirstyes @gillu3 @billwongot occupational science can be clinically focused. Can be an OT and Occupational Scientist #OTalk 1/2(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:55:26 +0100)
@LeonoraOT Yes, We always seem to need to imho RT? @Helen_otuk : @DrWMB does that show a need to define occupation within our role or field? #otalk ?(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:56:02 +0100)
@kirstyes @gillu3 @billwongot 2/2 but you don’t have to be an OT to be ab occupational scientist. Beauty of learning from others too. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:56:04 +0100)
@kirstyes . @CharOTReilly @allisulli @billwongot you make a good point about creativity. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:56:52 +0100)
@MHOTJohnC @gillu3 @kirstyes @allisulli OTs need to consider Art of Practice more. E.g The way I apply science is different with each client #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:57:23 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes @gillu3 I do think OS can be clinically focused. Own practice exp. + networking w/ others can help expand horizons. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:57:27 +0100)
@Helen_otuk RT @kirstyes : @gillu3 @billwongot occupational science can be clinically focused. Can be an OT and Occupational Scientist #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:57:51 +0100)
@DrWMB @CharOTReilly @kirstyes #OTalk creativity is central to professional artistry. Tried to explain this in BJOT in paper on creek in 2010(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:58:13 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes @gillu3 I have met someone who is doing her PhD in OS, and her background for masters was social work. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:58:23 +0100)
@Helen_otuk @DrWMB yes i agree, I find myself doing it often. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:58:25 +0100)
@kirstyes @sarahahpmh @gillu3 what do you think I mean by this Sarah? Not sure 140 chars enough Have you managed to look at my presentation. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:58:38 +0100)
@BillWongOT @DrWMB @Helen_otuk I so agree… that way you can help others to understand what OT’s do better. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:59:30 +0100)
@Helen_otuk @LeonoraOT yes a recurring theme I feel… but good to educate and share. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:59:31 +0100)
@CharOTReilly @DrWMB @allisulli by finding out the #meaningfuloccupations and setting goals 2 ensure they can them we are occ focused #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:59:35 +0100)
@DrWMB @BillWongOT #OTalk think that’s when occ justice starts coming into the picture, it links occ sci with practice(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:59:49 +0100)
@kirstyes @sarahahpmh @gillu3 what do you mean by bread and butter OT. Check we are speaking the same language ;0) #OTalk 1/2(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:59:55 +0100)
@kirstyes . @sarahahpmh @gillu3 I mean occupation based practice should be our bread and butter. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:00:28 +0100)
@stairliftscheme RT @Helen_otuk : @LeonoraOT yes a recurring theme I feel… but good to educate and share. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:00:29 +0100)
@allisulli @kirstyes @CharOTReilly @BillWongOT Key re: creativity is in application of EBP. Not good to be creative alone secondary to safety #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:01:00 +0100)
@BillWongOT @DrWMB In my sessions as a client, I see concepts of OS applied in my lifestyle redesign sessions. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:01:24 +0100)
@kirstyes . @CharOTReilly yes OT programmes are very different. What would be essential learning do you think? #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:01:41 +0100)
@DrWMB @gillu3 #OTalk I ask the students doing my msc occ sci module to explore how the theories inform practice. The links are intricate(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:02:19 +0100)
@BillWongOT @allisulli @kirstyes @CharOTReilly oh yes! Safety is important, esp. since it’s a crucial area in knowing we r competent or not. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:02:49 +0100)
@kirstyes . @Helen_otuk yes agree. I actually think our assessment/consultation skills vital but doesn’t always have to be us doing intervention #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:02:49 +0100)
@CharOTReilly @allisulli @kirstyes @BillWongOT exactly SU safety always comes first. Then use our skills to meet occ focused goals #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:03:05 +0100)
@Helen_otuk Just a reminder it is after 9…. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:03:24 +0100)
@BillWongOT @CharOTReilly @DrWMB @allisulli yes… that’s where our skills in getting the client’s occupational history comes in. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:03:31 +0100)
@MHOTJohnC @MHOTJohnC @kirstyes #OTalk – Peloquin SM(1994) Occ Therpy as Art & Science: Should theOlder Definition Be Reclaimed? AJOT 48(11) 1093-6.(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:03:34 +0100)
@kirstyes I’m aware we are out of time, I’ll be around for a bit longer. Thanks to all for input. Aware it’s been a bit controversial #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:03:34 +0100)
@kirstyes I’d love to have longer conversations with interested parties because I’m not sure for once if Twitter was best medium. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:04:19 +0100)
@Helen_otuk @kirstyes been a great one, lots to think about, thanks. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:04:30 +0100)
@DrWMB @Helen_otuk thanks! The Paradise is on TV… #OTalk goodbye, good to hear from you all, Wendy(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:04:55 +0100)
@Helen_otuk Maybe once summary on blog this could continue in more detail if people would like? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:05:14 +0100)
@Helen_otuk @DrWMB Enjoy. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:05:34 +0100)
@sophiewearing Totally missed #OTalk yet again!(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:05:54 +0100)
@CharOTReilly @kirstyes ess learning: dif conditions impact function, OT models, observation skills, OT philosophy, int techniques #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:05:59 +0100)
@kirstyes RT @DrWMB : #OTalk definitions of occupation tend to be so broad that having an occupational focus in practice becomes difficult to define clearly?(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:06:18 +0100)
@allisulli @DrWMB @gillu3 I do same in my applied theories course for the MSOT program at AIC. It is very helpful to Level 1 FW to help w this #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:06:28 +0100)
@kirstyes @DrWMB very good point. Thanks. Will ensure I capture this. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:06:40 +0100)
@LeonoraOT Thanks all, fab chat, stimulating. I’m in morning routine now?MT” @DrWMB : @Helen_otuk thanks! The Paradise is on TV… #OTalk “(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:07:59 +0100)
@kirstyes @gillu3 I think that old ground hasn’t been completely sedimented over ;0). Good point made by Julia Scott today, don’t just talk, do #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:08:10 +0100)
@gilliancrossley sorry #otalk just about survived the bday party! I will have a read through the tweets(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:08:28 +0100)
@allisulli @kirstyes would it be too much to have an #occhat on these lines? Very challenging #otalk . lots of tangents. U were masterful in guiding us(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:08:38 +0100)
@CharOTReilly @Helen_otuk good idea Helen. Thanks both @kirstyes for a great #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:08:46 +0100)
@kirstyes @gillu3 I’m really sorry you feel been lost opportunity. Was trying to get there. I’d invite you to wrote a blog post if you’d like #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:09:06 +0100)
@allisulli @Helen_otuk Great idea, Helen! Core skills gets everyone riled up. Haha. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:09:38 +0100)
@kirstyes @allisulli I think that why I wanted it to be an #otalk to challenge things.Not as successful as I’d hoped but thanks.Will see about #occhat (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:10:16 +0100)
@BillWongOT In my classmates’ opinion, they feel that a lot of occupational scientists are disconnected with what’s going on in OT practice. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:10:44 +0100)
@kirstyes @gillu3 Agree. Interested to hear your ideas on how to do this. If you’d like to host a chat anytime let me know. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:11:13 +0100)
@kirstyes @sarahahpmh sorry I am quite speedy. If you want to DM me your e-mail happy to catch up – great to do it to include in summary. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:12:09 +0100)
@kirstyes @CharOTReilly @helen_otuk thanks for your input. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:12:33 +0100)
@allisulli @kirstyes interesting to see the different clinical expectations/goals from practitioners & students w wide variation in experience #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:12:53 +0100)
@CharOTReilly @kirstyes I’d hope it always happens in practice otherwise how are we staying true to our philosophy. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:13:00 +0100)
@bobcollinsOT Could someone post a link to the blog site where all the #otalk #occhat summaries are please? Many thanks. Have a good evening x(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:13:14 +0100)
@allisulli @kirstyes @gillu3 I would love for @gillu3 to host a chat! #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:14:10 +0100)
@BillWongOT @CharOTReilly @kirstyes you can def. instill these values in the students you supervise during placements! #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:14:28 +0100)
@Helen_otuk Lets remember folks that the 1 hour gives a chance to start the conversation. More detail can be added to the summary or write a post #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:14:37 +0100)
@kirstyes @CharOTReilly this is where I’m coming from in that I’m not sure it always is. #OTalk great that you’ve had placements where it is(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:15:04 +0100)
@BillWongOT @allisulli @kirstyes @gillu3 second! #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:15:08 +0100)
@CharOTReilly @kirstyes thank you! you did amazing job at facilitating tonight especially with contraversiol topic #otalk enjoy rest of it eve(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:15:16 +0100)
@Helen_otuk If peeps do not have own blog let us know we would love guess posts on the blog. Do DM. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:17:17 +0100)
@BillWongOT @gillu3 @allisulli @kirstyes Have a topic in mind and then you have to play moderator to control the flow of the chat. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:18:20 +0100)
@kirstyes @CharOTReilly I would hope so! Things may not change otherwise. You are our future leaders after all ;0) #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:18:51 +0100)
@CharOTReilly @BillWongOT @kirstyes agreed and as students can we instill upon our educators and/ or colleagues #newgeneration #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:19:22 +0100)
@kirstyes @CharOTReilly thank you. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:19:24 +0100)
@kirstyes @CharOTReilly @billwongot obviously you have to do it sensitively. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:19:51 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes @CharOTReilly and thanks to folks like you, I have been broadening my horizons in being a leader in OT. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:20:09 +0100)
@Helen_otuk @kirstyes great topic… good discussion to be had! #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:20:55 +0100)
@BillWongOT @gillu3 think of it like controlling the flow of a small group discussion, except it will be on Twitter. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:21:15 +0100)
@kirstyes @gillu3 go on chuck your radical at me ;0) #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:21:21 +0100)
@kirstyes RT @DrWMB : @CharOTReilly @kirstyes #OTalk creativity is central to professional artistry. Tried to explain this in BJOT in paper on creek in 2010(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:21:47 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes @CharOTReilly I second that. You don’t want to damage your rapport with your supervisors. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:21:54 +0100)
@BillWongOT @CharOTReilly @kirstyes But as a clinical instructor, this is something you can make an impact on day 1 when you have ur student. 🙂 #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:22:30 +0100)
@kirstyes @gillu3 @helen_otuk blog ;0) #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:23:12 +0100)
@kirstyes @gillu3 yes can do. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:23:37 +0100)
@kirstyes @gillu3 Ah ya will – to quote Mrs. Doyle from Father Ted.
Would be interested on your views on my presentation too. My OT journey. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:24:54 +0100)
@MHOTJohnC @DrWMB @CharOTReilly @kirstyes #OTalk Wendy thats a big “Like” from me! I totallyagree. It develops wth mastery. c/f my consultant OT report(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:25:11 +0100)
@BillWongOT I think for us who are students, it will be good to remember this chat, esp. when we become clinical instructors. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:25:33 +0100)
@stairliftscheme RT @Helen_otuk : @kirstyes great topic… good discussion to be had! #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:25:47 +0100)
@BillWongOT For educators, this will be a value that should be talked about critically w/ students IMO #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:26:16 +0100)
@BillWongOT @gillu3 because students do benefit from learning from a great clinical instructor in OT practice #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:29:04 +0100)
@kirstyes @gillu3 you meant for #OTalk right?(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:29:50 +0100)
@kirstyes RT @Helen_otuk : Maybe once summary on blog this could continue in more detail if people would like? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:30:28 +0100)
@kirstyes RT @DrWMB : @gillu3 #OTalk I ask the students doing my msc occ sci module to explore how the theories inform practice. The links are intricate(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:31:26 +0100)
@kirstyes . @DrWMB @gillu3 I agree with this and hoped to drive the discussion in that area. #Fail My pres called occ Sci and the dissatisfied. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:32:24 +0100)
@MarriottHelen @kirstyes I’m new to #OTalk but so far has allowed me to hear & share views on key topics for OTs whilst also considering ‘brand AHP'(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:33:37 +0100)
@kirstyes @MarriottHelen hi Helen. Thanks for that. We had to submit for last week but I’ll make a note for future. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:36:05 +0100)
@MHOTJohnC @gillu3 @BillWongOT @kirstyes #Otalk agree definitely Gill.. There are many other scientific disciplines that OTs can and should draw on(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:38:16 +0100)
@kirstyes . @MHOTJohnC @gillu3 @billwongot and we do. What suggestions would you add? Do you see any merit in OS? #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:40:32 +0100)
@MHOTJohnC @kirstyes @gillu3 @BillWongOT #OTalk Kirsty you are about to press one of my buttons haha – I think OS has its limits. We need all sciences(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:42:54 +0100)
@allisulli @MHOTJohnC @gillu3 @kirstyes @allisulli I agree completely: why I offered therapeutic use of self as a core skill. This is the Art:) #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:43:49 +0100)
@MarriottHelen @kirstyes Great to catch up on #OTalk at later date if iv not been able to make it on time! Hope the other professions follow suit! #AHPage ?(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:46:23 +0100)
@MHOTJohnC @kirstyes @gillu3 @BillWongOT #OTalk Kielhofner also believed this. Biology tells us alot; econiche theory; play theory; sociology, etc(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:46:47 +0100)
@BillWongOT @MHOTJohnC @kirstyes @gillu3 I think OS does have its limits. But that’s where we need brilliant minds to open it up. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:47:26 +0100)
@kirstyes @MHOTJohnC @gillu3 @billwongot All this integral part of course. Have to admit not familiar with econiche. * Heads to google. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:48:34 +0100)
@kirstyes @MHOTJohnC @gillu3 @billwongot ah ecological theory? Hadn’t heard your term before though. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:50:16 +0100)
@allisulli @gillu3 @MHOTJohnC @sarahahpmh #otalk is a public process. As an open forum, and as a new format, it includes students and new practitioners(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:51:23 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes @MHOTJohnC @gillu3 don’t we OT’s use the ecological model sometimes? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:52:08 +0100)
@BillWongOT @MHOTJohnC @kirstyes @gillu3 I read something similar to that when I was studying for the US OT board exam. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:53:14 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes @MHOTJohnC @gillu3 I should get one of the PhD students in the US on a Twitter chat then. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:55:58 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes @MHOTJohnC @gillu3 I know OS is a pretty big focus at USC. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:56:20 +0100)
@kirstyes @MHOTJohnC and should obv have looked at what research already done. We alternate #otalk with #occhat . It’s an area I’m only just exploring(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:18:17 +0100)
@MHOTJohnC @kirstyes all lots to debate! is #occhat different from #otalk ?(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:19:40 +0100)
@kirstyes @gillu3 @MHOTJohnC I’m sure there are some we naturally click more with. Was interesting this time because I did blur the #occhat and #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:31:00 +0100)

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